UPDATE: A completely unscientific poll of OIF vets returns much the same results as GreyHawk found.

Everybody’s favorite fish wrapper, The New York Times, is running a column by Bob Herbert in which he relates the claims of a certain disgruntled conscientious objector mechanic who was later processed out. The “big” portions of the claims are:

even before his unit left the states, a top officer made wisecracks about the soldiers heading off to Iraq to kill some ragheads and burn some turbans.

“Guys in my unit, particularly the younger guys, would drive by in their Humvee and shatter bottles over the heads of Iraqi civilians passing by. They’d keep a bunch of empty Coke bottles in the Humvee to break over people’s heads.”

He said he had confronted guys who were his friends about this practice. “I said to them: ‘What the hell are you doing? Like, what does this accomplish?’ And they responded just completely openly. They said: ‘Look, I hate being in Iraq. I hate being stuck here. And I hate being surrounded by hajis.’ ”

“Haji” is the troops’ term of choice for an Iraqi. It’s used the way “gook” or “Charlie” was used in Vietnam.

Mr. Delgado, who eventually got conscientious objector status and was honorably discharged last January, recalled a disturbance that occurred while he was working in the Abu Ghraib motor pool. Detainees who had been demonstrating over a variety of grievances began throwing rocks at the guards. As the disturbance grew, the Army authorized lethal force. Four detainees were shot to death.

Mr. Delgado confronted a sergeant who, he said, had fired on the detainees. “I asked him,” said Mr. Delgado, “if he was proud that he had shot unarmed men behind barbed wire for throwing stones. He didn’t get mad at all. He was, like, ‘Well, I saw them bloody my buddy’s nose, so I knelt down. I said a prayer. I stood up, and I shot them down.’ ”

OK, first, let me take a look at the charges, then let’s look at some of the statements.

Raghead, Haji and turban wisecracks: Part and parcel of killing someone, if you are a sane person, is dehumanizing them. Soldiers come up with these terms in order to put a singular, non-human, face on the enemy. In the Revolutionary War, and 1812 it was “Redcoats”, The Civil War it was “Reb’s” or “Yankee’s”, WWI it was “Hun’s”, By WWII it was “Kraut’s”, “Jap’s”, “Slant’s”. Getting the picture? For a non-combatant civilian to call an Iraqi a “raghead” indicates a certain level of ultra-nationalist bigotry (though not racism), for a combatant to do so illustrates humanity. A soldier must kill to be effective, in order to kill effectively the soldier needs to see the enemy as just that, an identity-less group of things: Sammy’s, Skinnies, Gooks, Slopes, Dinks, Chinks, Krauts, or Injuns. This is due to the fact that most humans cannot effectively and repeatedly kill “Achmed Yathrib, father of 2, part time plumbers helper”. One cannot impose civilian sensitivities in war. Dehumanizing an entire group by classifying them as sub-human is racist for civilians. Ya see, having our soldiers empathize with the enemy is a “Bad Thing”. This has been a part of warfare since we killed each other with rocks.

Shattering Coke Bottles: Soldiers almost exclusively travel in convoys. This means that not only were soldiers in Delgado’s vehicle supposedly chunking bottles at innocent civilians, all of the soldiers in the vehicles behind him (who would incur the wrath of the Iraqis) regularly did nothing. That means NCO’s in an MP company, if nothing else, thought so little of their careers that they were willing to let Joe Snuffy private break glass bottles on Hajis head? A mechanic waiting for CO status who won’t pick up a weapon is not going to be the senior man (TC) in any vehicle in which he is riding. This means that not only were NCO’s in trailing and leading vehicles willing to ignore the behavior, so was the NCO in that vehicle. Not only that, the service people at GreyHawks site say that glass bottles in Iraq were mostly rare.

Abu Ghraib Disturbances: If it was serious enough for the Army to authorize lethal force, then it was likely a riot, not a “disturbance”. Ever hear of David and Goliath? Rocks kill people, even really big people. The exchange between Delgado and the shooter seems false. The Army is an authoritarian society. One cannot simply saunter up to those senior in rank –especially if one is a private from the motor pool and the NCO is a working MP– and say “Hey Buddy, feel proud of yourself for shooting those people?”, if one did the response would not be some mild mannered response about justification. Sergeants just don’t talk that way. Even E-5 sergeants (some might say especiallyE5 sergeants). What’s more, an American soldier who is dealing with a prison riot, and has just been authorized to use deadly force to stop it, is not likely to kneel, pray then shoot. American soldiers tend to do that in reverse order. Having been ordered to use deadly force the soldier was more likely to follow his orders: shoot and kill some things, then worry about kneeling and praying later. This seems more a construction of imagination to portray American soldiers as religious fanatics and crusaders.

Now let’s see if we can infer anything about the author and his bias from the words he chooses:

On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, before hearing anything about the terror attacks that would change the direction of American history, Mr. Delgado enlisted as a private in the Army Reserve. Suddenly, in ways he had never anticipated, the military took over his life

I see, so this nonviolent young man enlisted in the Army Reserve before any of this naughty War on Terrorism started, which means he is a good guy with bad timing. Then this intelligent young man had his life taken over by the Army in ways he had never foreseen when he signed the contract stating that he would let the Army take over his life in cases of: national emergency, one weekend a month, two weeks a year, and roaring western wildfires.

The officer’s comment was a harbinger of the gratuitous violence that, according to Mr. Delgado, is routinely inflicted by American soldiers on ordinary Iraqis

Well given what a thoughtful, well-traveled, cultured young man Mr. Delgado is, how can we not believe him? Especially when we compare him to all of those knuckle-dragging Neanderthals who actually want to be in the military.

“Haji” is the troops’ term of choice for an Iraqi. It’s used the way “gook” or “Charlie” was used in Vietnam

See, the Army isn’t any better now than it was then, the troops are still murderous racist out of control lunatics who don’t have the mental capacity needed to see how brilliant this young man was.

Mr. Delgado, an extremely thoughtful and serious young man, balked at the entire scene.

Unlike the rest of the hooligans in uniform who were overcome by irrational hatred of those that were only trying to kill them. Of course the insurgents only want to kill them because they are too stupid to understand the Arab culture.

He said he believes that the absence of any real understanding of Arab or Muslim culture by most G.I.’s, combined with a lack of proper training and the unrelieved tension of life in a war zone, contributes to levels of fear and rage that lead to frequent instances of unnecessary violence.

Would that violence be unnecessary as compared to say, oh, I dunno, blowing up innocent women and children? Or are we comparing it to random be-headings? Maybe car bombs? Shooting Iraqi police?

The G.I.’s at Abu Ghraib lived in cells while most of the detainees were housed in large overcrowded tents set up in outdoor compounds that were vulnerable to mortars fired by insurgents. The Army acknowledges that at least 32 Abu Ghraib detainees were killed by mortar fire.

The gall of us, to launch mortars on our own compound in order to kill the insurgents that we had left sitting outside instead of throwing them in prison cells. Oh…hey…I must have read that wrong the first time. It was insurgent mortars shelling the prison. That means that the insurgents killed 28 more Iraqi insurgents in this story than the coalition forces did. Maybe they just don’t understand Arab culture.

6 Responses to “Winter Soldier Redux?”

  1. on 03 May 2005 at 3:00 pm Californio

    Perfidy! Why verily, Me thinks the NYT is too tame! Indeed, I saw mustachioed men military fire their cap and ball pistoles randomly at the natives! One young buck threatened civilians with his saber, saying he would scalp them if they did not return to the reservation. One fired his Garand closely to innocents. While another attempted lethal damage with his .45-.70 calibre musket. Only the blinding smoke from the black powder allowed the civilians to escape! I think this stemmed from the troops having to eat nothing but hardtack for weeks. Surely MARS weeps at the bad conduct of these hooligan troopers!

    Note: The New York Times is often called the “Newspaper of Record.” Ha ha ha.

  2. on 03 May 2005 at 5:54 pm kmclay

    Panties Be Upon Them!

  3. on 03 May 2005 at 9:01 pm John Boyle

    Schoor: . . . β€œAlso, we threw full C-ration cans at kids on the side of the road. Kids would be lined up on the side of the road. They’d be yelling out, “Chop, Chop, Chop, Chop,” and they wanted food. They knew we carried C-rations. Well, just for a joke, these guys would take a full can if they were riding shotgun and throw it as hard as they could at a kid’s head. I saw several kids’ heads split wide open, knocked off the road, knocked into tires of vehicles behind, and knocked under tank traps.” . . . (citation below).
    I can supply a searchable (in MS Word - 1.31 MB) complete text of the Winter Soldier Investigation transcript. You may need it, since it is about to be recycled piecemeal and wholesale, and you need to be able to recognize it. This is the worst-case nightmare of we Vietnam Vets who have been working to debunk the lies of the 70’s, and to prevent the same thing from happening again. The least they could do it find new material. I guess that’s what they thought they did, since it is now Coke bottles. Most of those I’ve talked to who were there, including myself, think you’d have to be Warren Spahn to hit anything from the bed of a bouncing GI truck, with enough force or accuracy to do anything. C-ration cans were generally the size of tuna fish cans and not as heavy.
    There is much more of this kind in the transcript. The hallmark of the WSI testimony is likewise its hearsay nature, and the willingness of the MSN then, and now, to repeat it without any critical sense. The simply audacious and implausible outrageousness of these kinds of allegations shock and nauseate every GI I’ve ever spoken to about them - not the content of the lies, but the mind-set of those telling them. The pervaise and consistent weltanschauung of the text is so psychopathic that it is really startling - and it is this outrageousness which was designed to insulate it from repudiation - it is almost too filthy to consider, and not imaginable by any sane person, “so therefore it must be true.” I have always thought that no normal persons could have cooked this stuff up - it had to have come from real pros in the world of perverted thinking, i.e. professional Marxist propagandists with some access to comrades who actually did do things of this nature.
    Citation Source:
    VVAW Winter Soldier Investigation
    January – February 1971
    Miscellaneous Panel
    Moderators:
    Jan Crumb, (a/k/a Jan Barry) 28, SP/4, 18th Aviation Co. (December 1961 to October 1963)
    John Kerry, 27, Lt. (j.g.), Coastal Sq., Coastal Division, 11 & 13, USNR (November 1968 to April 1969)
    Witness:
    Sam Schorr, SP/4 (E-4), 86th Combat Engineers (September 1966 to September 1967)
    p. 177 (of my Combined Text in MS Word)

  4. on 03 May 2005 at 10:15 pm GoldFalcon

    Thanks so much for dropping by , and for your comments.

    I have long contended that the WSI contributed more than anything else to the (now) 3 decades worth of public misperception, and pop culture portrayals of the Vietnam Vet as an emotionaly and physically crippled human being who is ready to snap at any moment. Even today the Vietnam Vet who is portrayed in a positive light in film or TV is rare (though not as rare as in the 70’s and 80’s) but the public perception of the Vietnam War is still more Platoon than We Were Soldiers Once …And Young Which is not only shameful, it is damned near criminal. I have known too many outstanding men who served in that war to believe that they were anything than the highest calibre of American fighting man, just as their brothers and uncles and fathers (and in some cases they themselves) had been in Korea and Vietnam.

    That is the most shameful byproduct of the WSI, not that soldiers were harrassed, or spit on, or insulted, or even assaulted, but that it facilitated the blatant theft of the place of rightful honor that was theirs. That place was stolen so completely that today, 3 decades later, it cannot be given or claimed without derrision.

    I can’t do anything to help soldiers from your war John. I can offer you my most sincere thanks –both for your service in Vietnam and for your hard work since– and my undying admiration, and assure you that this paratrooper never believed the lies. I can try my damnedest to make sure that they don’t get to do it twice.

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